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12: Decoding Dads in Leadership with Andrew Marmont
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From the emotional highs of leadership to the personal challenges of fatherhood, Andrew Marmont's journey offers a wealth of insights for anyone balancing these roles or leading someone who is a father. Andrew, a men's health expert and the founder of Tee30 Golf, shares his story of maintaining integrity through personal and professional ups and downs. His experiences remind us of the vital role empathy plays in leadership, and the necessity of self-care as a cornerstone of authentic living. By modeling these values, Andrew encourages us to lead by example in all areas of life, nurturing both our families and our teams.
Life often presents the delicate task of balancing work and family—a challenge Andrew knows all too well. Faced with burnout after becoming a father, he was faced with the decision of what really mattered to him, learning the importance of intentionality in one's priorities. This episode sheds light on the concept of work-life blend and the societal pressures fathers face, including "dad guilt." Andrew underscores the power of communication and community activities, such as golf clubs, as avenues for men to express themselves and cultivate supportive relationships.
We wrap up with an empowering conversation on how fathers can thrive through open communication and community support. The transition to parenthood is transformative, and Andrew stresses the significance of maintaining robust relationships both at home and work. He advocates for a work environment that supports new dads, ensuring they can be present with their families without fear of job insecurity. As Andrew explores the balance between external success and internal fulfillment, he invites us to redefine success through empathy, authenticity, and the everyday joys of life, like a child's embrace.
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One of the pivotal skills of a leader is empathy that ability to see, feel and hear how someone might be feeling, what they might be thinking, what has them excited and motivated, and also what has them scared, embarrassed, hiding away. Part of stepping into our own magnetic authenticity is being able to hold the space for others to do the same, and each and every one of the guests that I invite onto this podcast are leading that in some way, shape or form, and this guest, no matter who you are, I believe you can resonate with. So, whether you are a dad or someone, you're leading someone who is a father or you know someone who is a father very highly likely that you do. I believe we can all take away a message from this when we can see and hear someone's story and what they've been through and what they see in their line of work as well, and hear someone's story and what they've been through and what they see in their line of work as well. I liken it to the matrix, where you can literally start to see the code that goes beyond the structures and the conditioning that we have all received to believe that we need to live life and lead and be successful in one certain way, and there's so many different ways to do this.
Jolynne Rydz:So I'm really excited about our next guest, Andrew Marmont. He is a men's health expert, a keynote speaker and founder of Tee30 Golf. He knows the highs of reaching career Everest, presenting at the Rugby League World Cup live on national TV and radio, having a column in Australia's number one sports magazine and travelling to four countries to promote his sports book. Andrew Marmont also knows what it's like to hit the lowest of lows, suffering anxiety, nightmares and weight gain as a new dad, while juggling business and leadership roles, before he rediscovered fun, fitness and connection as a leader, a father and a husband. I'm sure you can relate. We all hold so many roles in our lives, and so Andrew's goal, through Tee30 Golf, is to create a safe space where people can reconnect with themselves so they can fill their cups and give back to their teams and their loved ones. So let's welcome our next guest. Hi, Andrew, welcome into the podcast. So happy to have you here.
Andrew Marmont:Thanks, Jolynne, it's great to be here.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, fantastic. So there's so much that I want to talk to you about today, and one of the things I wanted to start with was just about the way we lead in all different roles in our life. So our listeners might be leaders in business, in work, in community, but also in family, and you'll be the first one that's going to be speaking from this perspective in particular, so it's great to have you here. So my first question to you is what does leading as a dad actually look like to you?
Andrew Marmont:That's a great question, Jolynne. I think, as a dad, leading starts with you. So I think it starts with looking after your own health, because I'm a big believer in and I've seen it happen with my dad and also other dads that I've met along the way is that if you can show up for you, so have some strong sense of how do you want to demonstrate leadership? So, do you want to be physically healthy? Do you want to look after your mental health? Do you want to demonstrate through your actions and your behavior, through your integrity, all those sorts of things? That, to me, is leadership, before you even look at work or the external.
Andrew Marmont:I think the first thing is really about leading for the person that you want to be, and then everything else sort of flows on from there.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, I love that because it's about having that real clarity about how you want to show up as you and then flowing on from that. Yeah, that's so beautiful and you talk about in the discussions we've had about leadership really being about being able to show up at work and at home. I'd love for you to unpack the moment where you realised that this was really important.
Andrew Marmont:I think probably a few months after my little boy came along. I remember distinctly sitting down on the couch here at home with my hands on my head and I was really in a state of something was not right, because I think I was burned out. I think I was in the overwhelm, most likely because responsibility is high on my characteristic traits or personality traits, so I tend to put everyone else first anyway, and I think that if you leave that unchecked then it can lead on to some stuff that you don't want to have. So that was probably the first time that I just realized. I kind of almost sat with it and went okay, what's happening here? I think something needs to change. Take stock of things. What's happening here? I think something needs to change. Take stock of things. And from there I just decided to look at things from a bigger picture level.
Andrew Marmont:I think at that stage I was still in a state of almost like external validation, so I was still wearing that business hat on. I'm the sort of big business guy I was leading a small team at work, but I also wanted to be there at home for my wife and my boy and I think I was just doing too much and not actually looking at. Well, you've got to put yourself in that circle and once I realized that, then I started to make some changes. So that's where I started to prioritize some physical health again. That's when also I, as the things sort of rolled on, I decided to look at from a family perspective what was going to be best right now, because by then, you know, I was thinking sort of at sort of 12 months. Then my wife was looking to go back to work and I was going to get to a decision where what was going to happen with that and with my business at the time. So I think once, once I made the decision that in this instance I was going to walk away from my business, so selling the business that I had.
Andrew Marmont:It became so much clearer because I realized that that's when sometimes you've got to look within and look at the heart and go well, let's just take a step back from what you know, and you're like having the blinkers on and look at what's best right now. So I saw that that was a pretty easy decision to kind of walk away from that. And then once I did that, then there was almost like a sense of ease and contentment. And a funny story Jolene, I saw someone over the weekend actually, and I haven't seen him for probably about a year, and at that time I saw him at a. It was a sort of speaking night and you'll you sort of pitch your idea, and back then I was still in my previous, I had my previous sort of marketing business owner hat on and anyway.
Andrew Marmont:So Julian sees me and he says well, wow, you look really good.
Andrew Marmont:And he said I remember when we last, when you last, saw you, you looked good too, but you were stressed. And I mentioned that to my wife and she said, because you see each other every day, you don't even know, and maybe it's because we put on this shell of who we think the world needs to see, but it was very evident because I can definitely feel like I'm in a much different place than I was back then, but still, there's still that element of leadership which I think we were talking about at the start. So I feel like I'm much more effective now because I've looked at what needs to happen and then you take action and you kind of go from there, rather than what you think other people want you to do or they sort of encourage you to do. I think sometimes you've just got to step away from the noise and go what's important for you right now. There's lots of people with great ideas and they all want to help, but it's really healthy to step away from that sometimes.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, and I mean that's a great leadership practice in itself, isn't it? In terms of just stepping back, taking stock and going what really is the priority here? What's the priority right now, even though you might have these dreams of when things need to happen and what you want to make happen, but what's going to be helpful right now, and then coming back to that with your family as part of that consideration. So, yeah, I really want to acknowledge you for that. I think that's an incredible skill to be able to put into practice and so, yeah, I guess I'd love to hear from your perspective when you're not showing up at work or when you're not showing up at home, how do you think one impacts on the other?
Andrew Marmont:Well I think they're going to show up at, either at work or at home, because that's where you spend most of your time, and I remember someone saying the other day that they call it work-life balance, but the gentleman that was speaking to me said that he actually thinks it more of a blend work-life blend, because you can't separate it as much as maybe we thought we could 10 years ago. Quite often we're working from home or we've got jobs that require working. Once we've put the kids to bed, we've got sort of commitments, we've got that birthday with your wife and you're going to take her out, and you can't sort of. I don't think it's not as easy to separate it as we once were. I think what we can do, though, is a great analogy that my friend Matt gave me last week. He said so me having a coffee with you.
Andrew Marmont:Work me, that's 10% of me.
Andrew Marmont:So if you get angry at me or I'm working with you and suddenly you're not happy, I don't care, because it's 10% of me.
Andrew Marmont:90% of me, that's the home me, that's me with my family at the dinner table, that's me having time for me, that's me reading the book or meditating, or whatever it is I do to look after me, meditating or whatever it is I do to look after me.
Andrew Marmont:So once I realized, or I sort of looked at that as an analogy in terms of leadership, if you're the other way, if 90% of you is work you and 10% of you is family you, then maybe you've got to look at what you think what leadership is right now, because I can guarantee, if you ask your spouse or your partner, they will probably tell you the unvarnished truth that you're focusing. Yes, work's important for a lot of different reasons, but if you approach it as 90% work and 10% you, then there's nothing left for the most important people in your life. And likewise, if you're 90% at work, then people will feel that too. People will feel this real intensity. That isn't always healthy, because they're probably trying to figure out how do I blend work and life. So that was probably an important lesson or story that I took on board and it really helps lighten things up a bit as well.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, and take life less seriously. I've been one that's been learning that lesson. I think, having been brought up, of career being so, so important and then learning how to ease back and just have fun with it? Absolutely, there's a lot of challenges that get spoken about when we talk about motherhood, and so I'd love to hear from your perspective what are some of the hidden challenges that we don't hear about that fathers are dealing with, and how does that impact them at home and at work.
Andrew Marmont:That's another good question, jo, thank you. And at work? That's another good question, jo, thank you. I think the first thing that comes to mind is I think as men, we take on, we sort of internalize things and it's not as easy for men to articulate what's going on in here and in here, and so from that perspective, in here and then in here, and so from that perspective, one hidden sort of challenge is just being able to say, hey, this is how I feel. The day didn't go very well, this happened and this happened, and I wanted to share how I felt at that stage. That is such a foreign conversation for a lot of guys and I've been through a lot of work on myself to bring that up to the fore, because quite often it's just a really hard thing to do.
Andrew Marmont:So, that's the first thing I think there's. There's a real from a society perspective, society pressures, particularly men, to put work and family first and therefore themselves last. And because they put work and family first, the unspoken sort of conversation we, they, they want some time for them, but again they feel so guilty and I call it dad guilt. They feel so guilty and I call it dad guilt. They feel so guilty because they feel like they need to be working hard, because that's going to help if you're the number one provider, the roof over their head, the school fees, the food in the fridge. But of course, if you're working all the time, then what happens if there's no time for you again, then how do you express I'd love to go for a run, or a couple of times a week, I'd love to try and fit in a gym. It's really around guilt.
Andrew Marmont:Dad guilt is a big unspoken piece. And I think how do you also take work and lighten that for a dad mentally? Because we mentioned before Jolene, if they're 90% work and I see it, I've seen it lots then the family's not going to have anything left. So again, it's being able to communicate really effectively and it can just be an open conversation is really important, particularly with your partner. With this, I think, there are a couple of things that sort of come to mind. And yeah, how do you sort of work through that as a dad? How do you remove the idea of this pressure that society puts on you to say, well, even if you're not the primary carer, then how do you still build that relationship with your son or your daughter or what have you? So there's all these things that dads are trying to figure out, but unless you perhaps have some context, or unless you have some people like other dads to speak about which is why I think organizations like Dads Group is great. We get together and we talk about dad stuff. What's going on in?
Andrew Marmont:your world as a dad, what's going on at work? How is that sort of translating to home? How are you expressing things other than anger? What are those sort of things that you can do? And you know, sharing ideas around relationships those things are so, so powerful.
Andrew Marmont:Um, like a great thing that I I like to, that I like to share, is or just listen about some ways that that the dads in my sort of community you know how they build their relationships with their wives. It could be doing like a monthly date night or booking a sort of occasional trip where it's just them and the babysitter's sort of gone. The difference between the dads and the mums I think the mums are a lot more forthcoming with being able to communicate about this sort of stuff. Dads would prefer an informal activity to talk about stuff as opposed to formal avenues. I mean, just last week I was in a meeting and I remember the guy I was with he sort of cited some research that men just don't prefer the formal avenue of being able to get some help. They much prefer to go to a it might be golf or some sort of activity and then they can share what's going on. I think a lot of it boils down to communication.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, totally, I think communication is key on so so many levels and in careers and work and business we often have access to tools to learn how to communicate better. But when it comes to families, I think it's the luck of the draw of how your family communicated with you growing up and that's your role model and I found, as a mother going through the system, there's so much support for mothers and it's in that formal way and it's tailored to mothers and it's to the point where I remember one time I was trying to get a maternal child health appointment phone call going through to my partner and I said this is the number, I'm not available, you need to call him. And they called me and they didn't even register. They took all the notes and it just defaults to the mother.
Jolynne Rydz:So much and I think that's really sad because there's this whole movement and expectation of men starting to be more in tune with their emotions, being able to talk about it, but there's this lack of support I feel. Being able to talk about it, but there's this lack of support, I feel and recognition that men don't have that same access to that learning that women go through as kids and generationally. We don't have that same kind of knowledge when you look at males and females. So, in a long way, what I'm trying to get to is that what's lacking for you in terms of support for dads and and is that kind of what led you to starting a t30 golf I think having some informal groups was the is the first thing that comes to mind to be able to, if you call, put it, could it?
Andrew Marmont:mom's group? That's where dad's group is so wonderful. More resources around communication, specifically communication about emotions and feelings, because, again, that's the basis of everything. As we know, in all relationships, business, work, that's the same thing, isn't it?
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah.
Andrew Marmont:Business work and at home, and you know your friends, like your support group, everything Self-talk, it's all related to communication. So if I was, you know, a couple of months before you know my son was born, having a workshop around the first 12 months of being a parent, how to communicate fairly articulate, you know, like clearly, um, yeah, how to have those sort of conversations when you've got no sleep. You know you're sitting on two hours sleep, you're, you've got all these things sort of happening. Yeah, how do you best do that? Because some people be more advanced than than others. Um, and in relation to setting up the t30 golf, it was more it was around the idea of of that community, yes, uh, but also having that organized activity that that brought that initially will bring people joy anyway, because for me me in a selfish way, the idea of driving past a golf course and looking at the pristine greens and the manicured sort of gardens.
Andrew Marmont:It just filled me with happiness and joy, anyway, just the idea of that experience. So to introduce people to that experience, that gets me really excited. And to introduce people to the game of golf, that gets me really excited. And to introduce people to the game of golf, that gets me really excited. Because a lot of I found that a lot of guys that I'm speaking to have. They have never played before but they want to give it a go and they and they see the benefit, they see the social aspect of it as well. So, having options options, I think, for dads, and that's definitely becoming more prevalent now there's lots of great things that are popping up for men and for dads the last, probably five years. One of them, recently I heard, was a book group and I think it was something like the Tough Men Book Clubs. I could be wrong on the exact name, but it was just guys with a book club.
Andrew Marmont:So, there's definitely more resources available now, and that's a really good thing, but I think it just starts with the communication. It just starts with can you teach men to become better communicators, particularly when the pressure goes on in unfamiliar situations, because men like to problem solve and men like responsibility and purpose, and if we don't have the tools to be able to do that, we get frustrated. And I think I'm not speaking on the whole male race here, but that's just that's. I think what I see across the board is being able to communicate better.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, definitely. It's so, so powerful, so needed, and for anyone that is a leader out there that's listening and they might have a new dad in their team or a father, what do you think is the number one thing someone's boss can give that person in terms of support?
Andrew Marmont:The first thing, I think, is just probably listening and asking, like opening the questions, how's it going? Like, how are you feeling about being a dad? And sort of anticipating what they might be thinking, because they might be thinking, oh, I can't take time off work or I feel guilty because I've got to take three weeks off or four weeks off or whatever it is, I still want to be plugged in. So, probably just normalizing that idea of there's such an important time, the first 12 weeks you really need to be there, if leave permits, and having that show of trust and recognizing it's such a big time in everyone's lives it's going to impact the employee in ways that they probably don't realize yet. And acknowledging that and just sort of being there as well, like just sort of not putting all these expectations on them. Well, like just just sort of not putting all these expectations on them. Obviously you've still got to do your job, if, if that's the reality of the the situation. But yeah, just just sort of being just listening I think is probably the first thing and really don't have to give advice or or say anything like that. It's more, they might be feeling really scared. They might be feeling really scared, they might be feeling guilty, they might be feeling overwhelmed, all these different things. So being able to just have more of those kind of open conversations, without judgment, without advice, because work is important for a lot of people, so being able to just sort of say, hey, your job's still here, it's not going anywhere, we've completely got that on board.
Andrew Marmont:Like, for example, when I went on dad leave I think it was only initially for a couple of weeks and then I had because I was still running my marketing business. But I remember I sort of pulled my team in my virtual meeting like this, and I said I'm going to take a couple of weeks off, and all of them put their hand up and said, look, we'll take on it. You know, we'll take on all the clients. You just, you don't worry, you enjoy it, like so to me it was amazing to have that support and I think if all people who are, you know, dads who had that kind of support where we think, okay, well, a, you're there for me, the job is safe, like secure, maybe that's a real big part of it.
Andrew Marmont:So that's looked after. I'm here, I'm going to support you, I'm not going to call you in your leave because you've got to be. You know being present is really important. They don't want to be thinking about work. So there's just different people will have different approaches, but being open, being just listening and understanding that, yeah, it's a big time for everyone.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, and it's almost like creating this headspace by taking away those second thoughts. As if my job's secure, do I need to be guilty about how I'm performing against everyone else in the team? If you take that all away, then there's just so much more energy to do the job well and also to be present with the family too.
Andrew Marmont:Absolutely, and that will be rewarded down the line. That's the big thing. If you give some right now, in that real overwhelming period, then that's far greater than any pay rise or anything like that. They just want you to understand that. This is what I'm going through. Yeah, as you say, jolene, the job's secure. You're giving me that time. I'll come back refreshed, a much more present, productive employee, because I've had that time to bond with my partner, with my newborn. That would be a great situation as a leader to have that trust, integrity, all those things.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love it, and so we've talked a lot about communication today, and it's important at work. It's important in family environment. In your experience, what's the ultimate thing that dads want from their partner that maybe they struggle to ask for or articulate?
Andrew Marmont:That's a good question, jolene. Probably just a safe space to be able to talk through what's on their mind. So that would be a big thing, I think. I think, whether it's pushing the pram each night or maybe it's a dedicated time in the calendar each week, like how's the week been, how are you feeling, is there stuff that's been happening that you wanted to talk about? Like really having that real openness is going to strengthen throughout the whole time.
Andrew Marmont:Again, because men, I don't think we're as strong in the communication stakes.
Andrew Marmont:Having the ability to have a safe space or even sort of learning how to do that a bit better, I think is going to be important. So you can kind of take that back to your partner. When, a few months before my child was going to come along, I remember having golf with a my friend called jeff and he had I think his boy was maybe four years old and jeff said something to me that I always remember. He said never forget who you loved first, because as soon as that baby comes, that's a whole quadrant of your time, attention, energy, et cetera. So if you always have that in the back of your mind, that's going to hold you in good stead, and I tell that to every unexpecting dad, new dad. I relay that story because to me it's just a gentle reminder to think well, yeah, you've got two people ideally bringing up this little person. So having a separate space for that relationship to grow and continue to deepen is really important. So how can you create more ways to do that, along with the exercise in raising this newborn?
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, and I love that because I work with leaders currently but I've done a lot of life coaching as well. So a lot of people come to me because they're going through a life transition, so like they're getting a newborn, and that family dynamic is a life transition from being in a relationship with a partner to now a family. But then also at the other end I noticed when the kids grow up and leave home, if they haven't kept that love and relationship strong, there's this whole gap that gets created of, oh, what is our life purpose now that the kids have grown up and they don't need us in the same way that they needed us for 18 years? Like it's a really, a really big thing that people are grappling with. So I love that in terms of just keeping that first love strong.
Andrew Marmont:It's key. And again, you can be really creative around how you do that. It could be shared activities together or, as I say, one of my favorites is the monthly date night, or it could be a quarterly date night, or whatever. It is, where you pick a letter and it's alphabetical and the other person has to organize everything you know, organize it, drive you there or get you there somehow, and then you walk up and it's ah surprise, it's German food.
Andrew Marmont:German food gee yeah exactly or, or, if it's like q, you've got to be a bit creative, so um just fun things like that. I think there can be really some simple things, whatever. Whatever you would find creative and doable at at the moment um, because not everyone can do that, but it could be something else, like you might have again a shared activity or whatever it is. I think there is space to be creative even when it's long hours doing work and home.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, I know, I love that. It's fun, isn't it just being creative?
Andrew Marmont:Totally, we're all creative. Even if we don't think we are or we're in jobs that aren't sort of being creative Totally. We're all creative, Even if we don't think we are. We're in jobs that aren't sort of traditionally creative. We all definitely can be creative.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, totally. And so, before I bring us into our Swift 7 questions, there's one final question I'd love to ask you, Andrew, which is as a leader, as a dad, as a business owner what does success actually look like for you when you're wearing these multiple hats?
Andrew Marmont:That's a great question, jolene, and someone asked me a similar question. They said what are your goals next year? And I never really thought about them. The first thing is prioritize self-care each day. So have some different things. That would mean that you're looking after your own self-care each day and try and tick those off. So that's probably the first thing. Second thing quality time with family. So in terms of being present with family, that's a big success. And then from there I guess you can put in your one work goal and you've kind of got yourself sorted Leadership-wise. There was a coach that I used to work with and I remember he was looking at ways to think about success and in his view it was always external first and then kind of internal last. But you might know, jolene, that there's a, is it be? Do have.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah.
Andrew Marmont:And I think we get have, do be is sort of the. A lot of people get sucked into that. So I think, yeah, if you look at B, do have. So who am I and what are my behaviors and am I looking after me? Will allow me to then have the quality time or whatever it looks like, and that will sort of go from there. So, yeah, I think for next year, if you're a leader and you're thinking about what does success look like again, maybe you're 90% work or even 70% work think about, well, what would it look like if I switch that? It doesn't have to be, the hours would be less or that time. But what if I paid more attention to other things? What if I made food on the weekends, you know like, or what? What can I, what can I do to reprioritize some of the things that maybe I've been neglecting? You'll be much more balanced, um, when you go back to, when you go to work again, because you know, that both both sides or your circle is is looked after.
Andrew Marmont:Some of them might be out of equilibrium, but having that balanced look to me that's what success looks like. You balance the way that you look at those things.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, and what I love about what you just shared is none of it was around like having a house, having a car, having the job title and it's all about these. What can you be doing? How are you being that? And it's so much more controllable, isn't it? Those little things that you can do each day, that makes you feel successful right now, rather than having to wait, you know, five, 10 years to get a feeling of success.
Andrew Marmont:You and I both know, jolene, you know being in, doing programs and going through. I both know, jolene, you know being and doing programs and going through being surrounded by people who are probably more external success focused, so that can have a big impact what it did on me around.
Andrew Marmont:I'm chasing this, I'm chasing this and that's why I think my friend Julian said you look stressed, and I didn't even know it look stressed and I didn't even know it because I so having a balanced approach where, yeah, if you, if you know that you're doing the right thing for you, and then and you go outwards in your circle, then that's going to you're going to be more balanced and you're going to you're going to be happier, for sure.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, a hundred percent Awesome. So let's now transition to our Swift 7. So these are seven Swift questions that you don't need to overthink, just first thing that comes to mind. Feel free to share, and just a way to really get to know you a little bit better. So, in your view, first question what are three words to describe an ideal leader?
Andrew Marmont:Resilient, passionate, confident.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, love it and fill in the blank.
Andrew Marmont:Magnetic authenticity is Showing up as you every day.
Jolynne Rydz:Love that Number three. When you notice yourself trying to fit in, what's the first thing that you do?
Andrew Marmont:Take off your shoes.
Jolynne Rydz:Oh, yes, yes, I'm like thinking physically, take off your shoes, but yeah, metaphorically take off your shoes. Yeah, okay, cool. Number four what's a song that gets you really pumped?
Andrew Marmont:I'll tell you that I'm just trying to think of the name of the song.
Jolynne Rydz:You can sing it if you like.
Andrew Marmont:We won't be doing that. Here we go. Moby Stars, I think it's called.
Jolynne Rydz:Yes, I do like Moby, nice one.
Andrew Marmont:Okay, number five. What's the most daring thing you've ever done, andrew? When I was nine, for a school project I called up the famous mountaineer, sir Edmund Hillary and asked him three questions about climbing Mount Everest. Yeah, I was nine. That's so cool, that was pretty daring, I thought for a nine-year-old I think so Just going.
Jolynne Rydz:Oh yeah, no boundaries, let's just call them and see whether they respond. Yeah, I love that. And so number six do you have a favorite quote or mantra that you live by?
Andrew Marmont:I guess we could call it the Tee30 tagline, which is go home happy. That probably comes to mind.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, I love that. That's really, really cool. And number seven you've already shared one, so I'm going to challenge you to share a different thing, which is what's one small thing that brings you incredible joy.
Andrew Marmont:When my boy runs and jumps into my arms after daycare.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, that's like one of my favorites as well. It's such an amazing feeling. Yeah, it's just like this pure, unbound, unconditional love and presence. Yeah, so powerful, yeah and presence, yeah, so powerful.
Andrew Marmont:Yeah, every time it goes in my diary.
Jolynne Rydz:I love it. So you actually write it down, do you?
Andrew Marmont:Yeah, I've got a five-year diary and I'll write it every time. Yeah.
Jolynne Rydz:Oh, that's cool. I like that Very nice. Well, this has been an incredible conversation and I love where we've gone with it and I love just how relatable to leadership in any role it is. Like it's all you know, leading as a dad is really, at its fundamental, the same as leading with a team, like there's so many skills that you can use across the board, which is amazing. And so if people want to learn more about what you do your keynoting or T30 Golf where can they find you?
Andrew Marmont:For speaking, andrewmarmontcom, or connect with me on LinkedIn, Andrew Marmont, and for Tee30 Golf, it's t30golfcomau, so t-e-e-30golfcomau
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, wonderful. I'll pop the links in the show notes as well, so people can find it nice and easy. It's been amazing having you here, Andrew. Thank you so much for your time and sharing your wisdom and openness with the world. Thank you for what you do.
Andrew Marmont:Thank you, Jolynne. Thanks so much. I really appreciate it.
Jolynne Rydz:I trust that you found some nuggets of gold in that episode, and there are a couple of nuggets that I'd like to reflect on because I think they are really, really key. So the first one is work life blend. It's so similar to something I talk about in terms of work life alignment, and how does that blend show up for you? How much of your time and energy, emotional energy, goes into work versus things outside of work that matter to you, and is that percentage the right fit for you?
Jolynne Rydz:The power of open communication came up time and time again, and that applies in life and leadership and the workplace. It's no longer a nice skill. It's actually critical if we care about feeling heard, understood and supported and being able to empower ourselves to gain that support. And the thing I noticed is that a lot of these skills are available and taught through larger corporate organizations, ones that have the big budgets to deploy this kind of learning, but there's a lot of people that don't have access to that, and actually it's one of the reasons why I do this kind of work is because I think it's unfair, and I think there is room for everyone to be able to articulate how they feel in a way that gets them the acknowledgement and the support and the love that they receive and deserve.
Jolynne Rydz:And the third thing that I loved about this episode was that there were some really easy tips there on how do you empower fathers in the workplace, and that reassurance of their job security being really key, because there's so much messaging around there about traditionally males being the provider, and I loved that point about mum guilt as well and dad guilt right.
Jolynne Rydz:Mum guilt gets talked a lot about, but how often have you heard the term dad guilt come up and really acknowledge that someone is doing their best, they're trying to provide for their family financially, they're trying to be there emotionally and support their family and lead them, but sometimes feeling like that's at the expense of their own well-being and their cup. A very familiar story that I'm sure a lot of people can resonate with, but one that's not often articulated from the traditional male father perspective. So thank you so much to Andrew for giving us this insight. I hope that has allowed you in some way to see someone that you know differently and maybe give them space to step in and have those open conversations that are so, so important and powerful. Remember, you were born for a reason it's time to thrive.