Magnetic Authenticity Podcast with Jolynne Rydz
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Magnetic Authenticity Podcast with Jolynne Rydz
5: Unlocking Authenticity in Leadership with Margot Thomas and Monique Longhurst - PART 2
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Can authenticity transform your leadership style? Join us as we continue our insightful journey with Margot Thomas and Monique Longhurst, the visionary founders of Ikigai Leading.
To get the most out of this episode, it's important that you listen to part 1 first. If you haven't listened to Part 1 yet, I encourage you to go back now and listen to it first:)
These remarkable women are dedicated to developing purposeful and connected leaders by fostering environments that promote self-reflection and experimentation. They share their unique approach to creating lasting impact within organisations, focusing on the distinction between acquiring new skills and undergoing true personal transformation.
Learn the significance of asking three pivotal questions: "What do I really think?", "What do I truly feel?", and "What do I deeply need?" We discuss the journey from fitting in to fully embracing one's identity, highlighted by daring life choices and the importance of micro-moments of mindfulness.
Margot and Monique’s personal stories, underscore the profound connection between self-acceptance and impactful leadership. Don't miss this compelling conversation filled with practical insights and heartfelt reflections.
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Hopi Elders Poem - We are the Ones We've Been Waiting For
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In today's episode, we continue where we left off in conversation with Margot Thomas and Monique Longhurst, founders of Ikigai Leading, who are on a mission to develop purposeful, conscious and connected leaders. So if you have just joined us in this episode and you haven't listened to part one, go back and listen to part one first, because it's going to make a lot more sense, because part two is really building on part one. And if you're new to the podcast, welcome, go back and listen to part one, listen to this one, and then I'd invite you to listen to the first episode, which is Could Magnetic Authenticity be Your Superpower? And that will help give you the context about what Magnetic Authenticity is and why it's something that you might want to consider developing. So, as a bit of a recap for those that have been eagerly awaiting part two, part one we heard about the relationship between authenticity and leadership and how to find your own flavor of it. So, Monique and Margot, through their own work, they co-create programs that really transform the way leaders, teams and organisations function as a whole system, and as we dive into part two, we will hear about how they create sustainable impact.
Jolynne Rydz:By doing that, we're also going to learn how we can step more into our own authenticity, and also some cutting edge research in leadership and relationship with self and the foundational practice that is so needed right now. It's no longer a nice to have. It's something that's really actually critical for people to be practicing. And we're also going to dive into a conversation around increasing the need for the feminine, what that even means and how everyone can harness that, regardless of your gender. So let's dive in and continue the conversation. You do a lot of development work in this space and what happens next? So what else needs to happen to to actually make create that space that you talk about? Once you leave? So you obviously come into organizations, you work with them, but you're not always there for the to hold the hand. So what has to else has to happen to support this development?
Margot Thomas:oh, that's I would say. Can I just say that even when we are there, we're not holding anyone's hand? Yeah, kind of a that that. So what is our? We see a contribution is and any leader's contribution, as they support, you know, have a partake on on their people's development, which is different from learning. Yeah, so there's learning is kind of a adding to your toolkit. It's learning is kind of adding to your toolkit. It's kind of a new skill, a new competence.
Margot Thomas:And developing is expanding. You know it's when we expand, for example, the way our belief system or we redefine our belief system, right. So this is kind of in the realm of development. It's hard. It's a behavior, culture, transformation, sort of a kind of a development dimension which is hard. Nobody can do that for you, it's your work. So what we see is just how do we offer the right questions, the right processes? You know processes to help people. Ah, oh, that's how it's done. You know that's the reflection, observation, experimentation and play it again. So it's almost like you know, it's enabling people to kind of find their own way of doing. So it doesn't matter how long you're there being in the individual coaching engagement journey or inside a longitudinal work in an organization, a leadership program, you're just setting people up in order to be able to do that for themselves and others. Yeah, so, uh, yeah, so, naturally, because this is not. So.
Margot Thomas:Most of the work that we do is not training or is not kind of a transactional. There's nothing wrong with those things, by the way. It's just not where we're called to serve. So a lot of our work is in the realm of development and takes time, as you say. You know, to shift mindsets, to shift behaviors, behaviors, to shift kind of your belief system takes a little bit longer. Yeah, we tend to be in partnership for long. Not long time is longer time. Yeah, so we, most of our clients you know we've been working with them companies and organizations, you know it's often this is a three to four, sometimes five year horizon.
Margot Thomas:Yeah, and the coaching is not a one-off. The coaching is like is a six to a year, year and a half partnership, because to allow that, you know that deeper work to occur. But it still has to continue and it's not us doing the work, it's not us. You know what I mean. We say we're helping, we're not helping, we're not healing people, people healing themselves, you know, just to finish healing. For us, our interpretation of healing, it is your ability to look at the things in you that are no longer serving you as a person, as a leader, and, over time, having the courage to let them behind and let the new to come. This is, for us, is healing. So that's sometimes we call we're healers because we're kind of in there. That's just to be clear what we mean by healing. Sorry, I'm wondering. And Jo, maybe add what I mean by healing.
Monique Longhurst:Sorry, I'm interrupting. And, Jo, maybe to add to that, there are some conditions that will support that journey ongoing as well, and I think that's something that we are observing within organisations. But I think some of the lenses that we use when we work in the leadership development space is very simple but a leading self leading others and leading systems or leading systemically, and what we do know is for the work to happen at the individual, like for the work to happen at the system space. The work needs to happen at the individual space. So we unapologetically always start with a leading self, but you never. That work is never done either. When we know about, what we know about adult development is, you know it's an ongoing, lifelong journey, um, and so that that sense of how does how does the work continue when we're maybe out of the intervention space, whether that's in a coaching conversation or in, uh you know, a team workshop or whatever form that takes.
Monique Longhurst:There are some things that happen from a self-perspective and I think that reflective practice, I think the willingness to lean into the hard work, I think there's a mindset around experimentation that's really critical for this work and that's also a mindset that's really helpful when teams or groups of people are working together to do that journey together. So, even if we think about the leading others or leading with others, there's a sense of the me in the we there. So there's still the work to be done at the individual level, but there's also work to be done in that collective. So holding an experimentation mindset, making some commitments to work differently, an experimentation mindset, making some commitments to work differently. So how do we work together that allows us to witness each other's development, to hold each other accountable, to offer really valuable feedback on the journey that we want to be making as leaders.
Monique Longhurst:And then, systemically, if we think about the system, it's also about getting really great feedback within a system. System, it's also about getting really great feedback within a system. It's about having really clear goals. But not goals is really for us, it's around a shared direction. What's the impact that we're here to have? So when we've got that clear vision of whether it's our team purpose, whether it's our organisational purpose, whether it's our key priorities, it's a measure for us. So, as a leader, is my work and the impact I'm having on my team leading us towards that direction? So having that clarity, I think is really critical too, so that we know whether we're aligned, whether we're making progress. So I think there are some conditions that wrap around the individual journey that can be really helpful. I think the experimentation is probably the one we're seeing highlighted most.
Monique Longhurst:Would you agree, margot, with leaders at the moment Just holding that experimentation mindset, adapting, adjusting, keeping the conversation alive. What's working, what's not working, what do we want to adjust today? What's the unintended consequences of some of the decisions we're making? Both really positive, some of those unintended consequences can be wonderful as well. So that reflective practice, building that in the stepping up onto the balcony, if I can use the Kegan metaphor, you know when are we on the dance floor, when are we on the balcony? How do we set ourselves?
Margot Thomas:Heifetz, sorry, don't name the wrong man, Wrong man sorry Wrong reference.
Monique Longhurst:How do we build that into our ways of being together, so that that's not just happening when we're in a room together, you know, in an intervention space, but it's actually our way of working together?
Margot Thomas:as well. You see, there is a little tip that we often use in coaching to you know that I find it very empowering in the way. Your invitation. So, because what Mon said is that personal, interpersonal and systemic right. So we often hold the leadership development in context. Yeah, because otherwise it's just a nice theoretical. It's just you bring the context and the reality of leadership. It's trying to be exercised being community and organization team with one person, but you bring the context in, yeah, so that the expansion and development occurs. How can we bring ourselves in a way that is more effective? Right, that's what the, so what we invite people is, there is the potential, the opportunity or the, the challenge that we're just exploring here. So how much of that it's me in that problem. So that's the personal leadership, the self-awareness, and then my mindset is that my, you know what. So you bring your you.
Margot Thomas:You know what is need to shift, adapt, evolve. Is that an interpersonal thing? Is that me in relationship with potentially people in there? That needs to be redefined. Or is there more systemic? There is kind of something as a culture in that system, or is there? You know particularly the way the structure is done. So you look at, so that you know there's never just one thing. Yeah, that's the multidimension for you to to come. You know your leadership impact it's determined by all those. You know, your ability to look at all those dimensions and and some you can control and influence, and some you can't. Right and and and we'll make a call when we are operating in a space where we can have, we can't have the, the influence and the control that we wish to have.
Jolynne Rydz:Yeah, I'm hearing. It's just so embedded and knowing that self. So then you can go, doesn't matter how much personal work you're gonna work doing.
Margot Thomas:The system won't change. Just, it's an example, right? So it's time, perhaps, or either. Okay, it's time to stay, because I will learn how to work in a box. It's time to move on, you know. So that's, and sometimes we have these conversations as well. You know, encourage people. You know it's time for you to find some fertile soil, because the one that you're tending to kind of at this point in time is not going to bloom what you wish for yeah, beautiful, and so do you have one first step someone could take if they are wanting to step more into their authenticity one first step.
Margot Thomas:Wow, is it funny, isn't it? Steps, processes, why we're so. We need that, right. It's almost like it's a way of controlling instead of it's it's and I'm not saying that in a in a bad way, but it's so um, my response to that there's no recipe. There's kind of a guiding principle. She did this for me is around awareness. The more you know I become more intimate to who I am, more likely I can work towards, you know, becoming honoring more of that person. That's really the true me. So that's kind of a principle, but not necessarily a step to go towards that, because you can arrive to that or start that in so many different ways. Yeah, but um, yeah, that was my thought. Your beautiful question how about you, mon?
Monique Longhurst:I, I totally agree. There's no recipe. If, if I come to what could you maybe play with um as you're exploring that? There's a process that just came straight to me and I think it's because it speaks to me. So I have the personality type where I'm a thinker. That's my dominance. I can find a script that fits in the moment as well.
Monique Longhurst:So I think that building that awareness and that pause point so there's two things Breath is really a key part of just slowing down and coming in. So I think, if there's a breathwork practice, even if it's just a couple of deep breaths in the moment to come back to centre, but then engaging my brain because, even if I choose not to, it's there with three key questions and it comes from, you know, accessing the beautiful wisdom of our head, our heart and our body. But in the moment, what do I really think, with the emphasis on really. So getting past the first thoughts and the surface scripts and that you know, in this moment, what do I really think, and if I hold that question deep enough and long enough, really letting thoughts come, what do I truly feel, with the emphasis on truly, and what do I deeply need so that really, truly deeply, just takes us to another space and as we hold.
Monique Longhurst:You know, margo, you would you use the word you know, if you sat and asked those questions to someone else, the intimacy that that's inviting, but sitting with that for ourselves. You know, in this moment, what do I really think? If I get behind all the yeah, what do I truly feel and what do I deeply need?
Jolynne Rydz:I love that.
Margot Thomas:I want to try it straight after this no, that's beautiful, yeah, and, and for me, so, if the invitation you see, I got, um, I some, I got, I got triggered by what is one first step. I love the one. You just flip that into. Okay's, no one. But there's so many options, let me give you one. That's so one. Another option is not another option, but another way is.
Margot Thomas:For me it's really meditation, yeah, so it is that. And meditation or sitting cross-legged with just whatever is the state where I really get into silence and within and just create a space for connecting deeply. So that could be different for everyone, but it's just the mindful practices help us come back to, you know, again, to have intimacy, how we're really feeling, how are you thinking and we and I, and kind of, and the body you see, being a body, person, personality, wise, um, which is kind of a have a, you know, orientation towards action, orientation to be, you know, in the present moment, I really trust my gut, yeah, so, uh, this is, yeah, oh, interesting. We could do a round of authenticity with the different centers of intelligence you know as your primary. If you have a primary head center, what is that? Your relationship of authenticity with your body, what would be? And then with your heart, what would that be?
Margot Thomas:oh, cool, that's the next podcast but yeah, so just that that tuning into really coming home. And then for me, coming home is to come from my to my body. Yeah, so, and she really noticed and pay attention there's also as a way to tune in what is really what is really going on for me. Yeah, in terms of going back to that intimacy, yeah, and Jo, I'm called to.
Monique Longhurst:You know, in the past, and we hear this all the time, oh, I don't have enough time to you know, the practice of meditation, the practice of reflective.
Monique Longhurst:You know, yes, and the cutting-edge research on leadership right now is actually taking us to that space you know back to that space and it's no longer an optional extra, it's no longer when I have time actually, and it's no longer the you know, the oh, that's lovely if you've got the opportunity, or it's actually now the, the piece, that self-awareness, that self-care, the option to then self-regulate. You know, the relationship with self is so key in our impact externally, consciously or otherwise, that the, as we said, the cutting edge research. There's some fascinating work coming out into this space. That's really about. It is such an essential call for leadership now to have that practice and that reflective practice, whatever form it takes for you.
Monique Longhurst:But I just want to speak to the lovely nice, to the yeah buts. Yes, sounds great, we all know that, but have you got four kids? And you know? You know traveling? Yes, and never before has it been more important to add that in there as well. So I just wanted to speak to potentially some of the resistance that people might be feeling as we talk about breath work and meditation, which sounds lovely. No, it's, it's essential in the space now.
Jolynne Rydz:It's beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
Margot Thomas:And the micro moments. Right can be done in the shower, if you can shower, find a time to shower and then the shower. You know, as you get the shower over you and it's just kind of a this is my little moment with me, me, yep, yep. So it doesn't need to be the hour meditation that many of us can't afford, but it's just that intimacy in the micro moments right before bed, after you know, first thing you do when you get up in the car um, the train trip you know the reflection on my day.
Monique Longhurst:How did I show up?
Margot Thomas:you know all of that, yeah yeah, everyone did experiment, yeah, and even experiment with just have a go, have a quick and see. Is that an impact? No, thank you, mine and margo, it didn't work. But you know, just go and have a play just to kind of see if there's a. What is the impact?
Margot Thomas:What it does to you in terms of you noticing what is really going on for you and we say the last thing I want to say because, as you mentioned before, the audience that you're cultivating is a lot of a female kind of a multitasking, et cetera, if I can speak specifically to that cohort is that there is this thing about putting the oxygen mask first before you attend to the other, meaning our ability to sustain our effort and serve and help others and be with others and be the mother, and be the, the daughter and be.
Margot Thomas:It's so much sustained, it's better sustained if we tend to ourselves really, yeah, and and into in one way, for those of us they have children, is that their kids, our kids, are beautiful kids will do what they see us doing, not what we ask them to do. And to be able to remodel that beautiful relationship with self and tending to self and, you know, setting healthy boundaries and showing that to our children. How is that done? I think is an awesome gift that we can give them. You know, even in the micro moments, I find it personally a commitment of mine.
Jolynne Rydz:Beautiful, so powerful and, before I bring us home with our Swift 7 questions, we've talked about so much today. So we've talked about all of that internal operating system, how that relates to other people, how that the system and putting that in context, and so much more. I think I'll need to re-watch this and delve into this again. It's going to be so much fun. Uh, I'd love to know what's your legacy. Where are you taking this co-creation legacy?
Margot Thomas:whoa? What do you mean by that? Can I, can I prompt? What is? What is the intention and the invitation of the question?
Jolynne Rydz:The invitation is to share. What is it that you want to leave behind as you do all of this work? What is the future vision and the impact that you're seeing the ripple effect, I guess from what you're doing?
Monique Longhurst:Maybe, margot, let me speak and please add in um, please do that. So I think grounded in what we stand for is developing purposeful, conscious and connected leaders. So that's that's both our mission but the legacy we want to leave behind. You know, leaders who are connected with their personal purpose and the embodiment of that and the impact that that has, the level of consciousness, so that the impact that they're having is intentional, and the connection, because we know that we can do more together and in community and that that journey is. You know, there's definitely work we can do individually and privately, but what happens in community and when we do our work together, the impacts of that on self and others, I think if we come to the ripple effect, we unapologetically know that there's such a calling for the feminine and there's a need and we have a deep passion and desire to make space, to create space, to have an impact in that work and to respect what's available for us if we embrace and indeed honour the feminine. We're both mothers and take that role. Really. You know that's a core part of who we are and I think I can speak in the we space here that the ripple effect of the work that we have.
Monique Longhurst:Yes, there's individuals, there's teams, there's organisations, but those organisations serve communities. We work, we're intentional about the sectors we want to work with. We work in communities that you know. We do a lot of work in community-based organisations as well the not-for-profit sector because of the impact that they have. So the ripple effect from a leader into a team, into the community, into the clients, but also as a partner, as a father, as a mother, you know our clients, we know that, their impact, and there's nothing more fulfilling than hearing the stories when they come back and go. My relationship with my kids have shifted in the last six months and I know it's because of the work that we're doing in the room here, you know, as a leader, but the ripple effect of that and I think that's exactly the legacy that we want to leave it's weaved through the work. So I think that mission of purposeful, conscious, connected leaders but the leader isn't the multiple roles that we hold, um, anything you want to add to that- Margot, I think it's beautiful that's.
Margot Thomas:And the feminine meaning not, uh, female, no, the feminine is the part of us that both men and women can embody, which I tend to, what is cyclical, which has a desire to be in community, which is creative, which is want to birth.
Margot Thomas:That's why the creative, from the sense want to birth, that is the feminine that we talk about, it right, absolutely, and the masculine, the reason I'm saying it's kind of a little bit out of whack. Yeah, because even as to the core, the feminine and the cycle, nature, feminine, that Mother Nature teaches us the winter, the summer, we are natural, we are beings, we are cyclical beings and we don't honor that in terms of it's just always on, on, on, on. We don't honor our personal winter. It's just time to kind of just be quiet and germinate and just go in. Just time to kind of just be quiet and germinate and just go in, or our summer, or our spring, or autumn, which is time to let it go, so that we so that's honour the feminine is honours the dimensions of us. That is not mechanical, that is not, you know, that's a passion of us as well.
Jolynne Rydz:Thank you so much for sharing. It's been so powerful so I want to transition us into the Swift 7. So these questions are not about deep, dark thoughts Not dark, we haven't been dark today Deep thought, but just what first comes to mind. So question number one in your view, what are three words that describe an ideal leader?
Monique Longhurst:did we just say it purposeful, conscious and connected yes, easy, okay, fill in the blank.
Margot Thomas:Magnetic authenticity is intimate relationship with yourself my neck's nodding.
Jolynne Rydz:Anything to add? Um, and regenerative is the other word that's coming to me, so yeah, when you notice yourself trying to fit in, what's the first thing that you do?
Margot Thomas:I don't, I don't, I don't. That's a. I yeah being a. You know, being having lived in many countries and being doing the shift from fitting into belonging I, I, I don't, I, I hand on heart, I do not desire to fit in anymore so I don't quite have that relationship with fitting in yet.
Monique Longhurst:So for me, because that's that fine line I said before about the superpower of the fitting in to where and I know your differentiation of here so where I've gone from adapting to my situation and the people around me to fitting in, there's two things I now do didn't used to but now I do is reconnect to self. So it's back to that connection to authenticity, and then I stand out, I will bring out my red heels, I will do something that's just like do not break out, I will make myself stand out intentionally.
Jolynne Rydz:Next time I see you in the red heels, are you okay?
Margot Thomas:Because, Jo, if you allow me to be philosophical or mystical, to fit in, to try to fit in, comes from an illusion that we're separate. We're not. So, fundamentally, I believe that you know we're made of all the same fabric and all. So the reason to fit in is to assume that I'm not part of you know what I'm saying. So that's the reaction was I don't need to fit in, we are. And then the deep, deep work of self-acceptance, right as well, follows. You know, as of that, that in which I had to do very hard. There was a, you know, but believe me, you know, for many, many years I tried to fit in and it worked, had lots of strategies to how, pretend that I'm not, but I am, etc. Happy to talk to you about it another time. But I think for me today to being able to sit here with you and just have this beautiful response this is, this is not part of my book anymore and my bible. It comes from their deep knowing that we're not separate beautiful you couldn't help it.
Jolynne Rydz:How could you? Yeah, it's a good profound and I love it. I love it. It's truly amazing. All right, um number four. What song gets you really pumped?
Margot Thomas:so, oh well, a song, perhaps can I go that. Yeah, I love Brazilian music, beautiful.
Monique Longhurst:So much music moves me, but I think the first place I went was 80s, like if you want to put Cyndi Lauper on, um, girls just want to have fun. You'll have me on the dance floor in a matter of seconds and my beautiful opportunity now is inviting my 16 year old daughter and her friends onto the dance floor. So that's what will get me moving and get me pumped some 19 big 80s female voices amazing but it was before my time.
Jolynne Rydz:I don't know okay, question number what are we up to five? What's the most daring thing you've ever done?
Monique Longhurst:oh, other than talking to my boss, like I did.
Margot Thomas:Daring, daring. How about that? I quit my job, I changed countries, pregnant yeah, arrived in Australia, left the job, left the country and I was pregnant and I bought a house concurrently that is daring.
Monique Longhurst:That is daring. So there's two things for me. Physically daring jumping out of an airplane I don't know if that's daring, or just silly skydiving, intentionally jumping out of an airplane. But, to be honest, starting my own business at the age of 23 and again, that was a values choice. I was being told what I could or couldn't do and I was like I'll go and figure that out for myself and started my own consultancy at 23 amazing and the red heels probably came on it's funny because it feels, you know, if you ever there was a daring that doesn't feel dairy, it's almost like there's a.
Margot Thomas:There's a daring that doesn't feel daring, it's almost like there's a fire that comes, you know, fuse your belly. Yeah. So my transition to Australia, I just had that knowing it's going to be fine. I know it's daring. There's not many people that could do that. Often you just do one at a time. You either have a kid, you either buy a house, you either change, change country, or you either quit your job. You don't do that. But there is something you know back to the body, kind of, and back to all that, that deep knowing, that kind of a. It's not it's, and that's what I love about the discerning daring from being stupid, you know I mean. So there is the daring, there is something that ground there. Yeah, decision that feels at a, you know, naked eye, whoa. But there is a I don't know in a knowing that ground you to do that absolutely, absolutely.
Monique Longhurst:And there's a reality of all the other things around it right deeply. No, this is the right choice, but what am I doing beautiful?
Jolynne Rydz:so question six do you have a favorite quote or mantra that you live by?
Monique Longhurst:mine is actually a prayer at the moment, and it's a prayer that's been with me for a very long time at different stages of my life, and it's just a serenity prayer. So grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. And that's just lived with me in moments, um, any major life cycles as well.
Margot Thomas:So, yeah, that's what I come back to yeah, but for me, I love the hobie nation poem, which is a long one and it is a stunning, and there is a part of it that it speaks to. You know, we're jumping into the river and letting go of the shores and go with the flow, but the part that we are the ones that we were waiting for, yeah, it really, that's forever my favorite. And Margaret Whitley she wrote a book called Perseverance and she broke this poem into tiny little pieces introducing each chapter of her book and just so beautifully, you know, uh, orchestrated. So, yeah, hopey nation, uh poem, happy to provide the details, this is stunning. That's my favorite poem ever that would be great.
Jolynne Rydz:We can pop a link in the show notes. Okay, we are coming to the final question, which is what's one small thing that brings you incredible joy?
Margot Thomas:oh, it's my son's smile, which is not as mild, beautiful every time. You have, you know, you have those meditations to say oh, connect with your heart. Perhaps, if you're grateful for something straight away, is this face that I see, and they're just and for me it'll be the physical touch of my daughters.
Monique Longhurst:Um, we were walking down the king street holding hands this morning and they're both teenagers, so that physicality of their presence, absolutely small and, as you said, not so small.
Jolynne Rydz:But brings joy. Beautiful, and I think I might be a combination of you two. So mine is seeing at the uh when my kids get home so they'll run big grins, but then they'll hug me at the end and almost bowl me over that's weird yeah, beautiful, such a good.
Jolynne Rydz:This has been such a wonderful, insightful, deep and moving conversation. Thank you so much for for joining in this space and creating this space for this conversation. Um, where can people find you if they would like to connect with you? What is the best way to reach out to?
Monique Longhurst:you Our website, absolutely ikigileading. com. au. You can find us on LinkedIn. We tend to share in that space. Yeah, they're the main places you can find us at the moment.
Jolynne Rydz:Beautiful. All right, we'll pop all the links there and thank you so much for joining us. Have a wonderful day and we'll see you next time.
Margot Thomas:Thanks so much for the invite, Jo. It was awesome. Thanks for the conversation.
Jolynne Rydz:Jo, I trust that you had as much fun listening to that as we had recording that, and wasn't that a such a mind blowing conversation? There's there's so much in there. Lucky, we split it into two parts. So just for part two, there's three key points that I really wanted to highlight, and I'm sure you have your own as well. So, if you do, please let me know on LinkedIn so you can add a comment to any of my posts, or DM me, because I truly do want to hear your feedback and what's resonating for you, because that will help me to create even better content that you're going to love.
Jolynne Rydz:So, in closing, there's three points that I think were so beautifully made by Monique and Margot. The first one was about delving into our authenticity, and Monique had this beautiful saying of what do I really think, what do I truly feel and what do I deeply need. What wonderful questions. The second point I wanted to highlight was the ripple impact from the leader, just the power a leader has to influence and impact an organization and a community, and the flow on effects of that, and why, as leaders, it's so critical that we're aware of the impact we have and that we're continually trying to learn and grow, because when we don't know the impact we're having, it can be a negative ripple effect. That's going on from us to our teams, to our organizations, community. So what better way to serve than to really be aware and constantly getting feedback on how we're showing up as a leader?
Jolynne Rydz:Now, the third point I wanted to highlight was a. What Margot actually shared was when we were talking about fitting in, and she said so beautifully. To try to fit in comes from an illusion that we are separate and we're not. So I'll leave you to ponder on that one. Thank you for joining and until next time. Remember you were born for a reason. It's time to thrive.